[RITSlist] Commuter car question.

[Andre Kristopans]

Paul -

Johnson's "Century of Chicago Streetcars" book has a shot with an RI train (with 400 or 401) in the background. First car is an arch-roof combo. Only half the car is visible, so you can't tell for sure, but the windows look just like an Al Capone car's windows. Now it MIGHT be an ex-mainline Harriman... but is sure looks similar to a commuter coach!

Andre
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul Hunnell 
  To: Andre Kristopans ; ritslist at simpson.edu 
  Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [RITSlist] Commuter car question. 


  The RI got 9 cars from the CNW in 1961.  
  The RI never had combine versions of commuter coaches
  (either their own or CNW); they used ex-mainline
  service combines or baggage cars.  
  They CNW's were identifiable in that the roof ends
  were squared off instead of turtle-back like the
  RI's.  I remember riding in them, and they were
  different as they had baggage racks.  
  The RI #'s were 2615-2623, exCNW 5061, 5083, 5090,
  5095, 5096, 5100, 5102, 5104 and 5109.  
  7 were sold to the NdeM (via Edwards International),
  along with some original RI cars, in 1965 and
  according to "official" NdeM records I have, were
  numbered into the NdeM 4014(12?)-4036 range. 
  However, I shot pictures of a couple of ex-original
  RI commuter cars in Mexico *not* in this number
  range, and also shot other cars in this # range that
  were definitely NOT ex-RI, e.g., ex-PRR P70's.  So
  the NdeM records are incorrect (not unlikely in
  Mexico), or some later got renumbered for some
  unknown reason.  Hope this helps.  
  ...Paul Hunnell 



  --- Andre Kristopans <AndreTheBusMan99 at msn.com>
  wrote:
  > 
  > Hello!
  > 
  > I am currently working on a database of commuter
  > cars built since the advent of steel cars in the
  > early 1900's. I am looking for some info on the
  > RI's fleet. Namely, I know about the 25-2600 "Al
  > Capone" coaches, but I have seen photos of similar
  > arch-roof combines. Can anybody tell me how many
  > there were, builder, number series, etc?
  > 
  > Also, the RI got some second-hand (at least nine)
  > ex CNW arch-roof commuter coaches, formerly CNW
  > 5000-5100's. Anybody have info on how many total,
  > number series, former CNW numbers??, even when
  > acquired (circa 1960?)??
  > 
  > Thanks
  > 
  > Andre Kristopans
  > 
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