[RITSlist] Commuter car question.

[Paul Hunnell]

I finally found the picture you referred to, and this
is a standard heavyweight 6-wheel truck,
paired-window combine.  Commuter cars didn't have
paired windows.  
Anyway, I have many RI passenger car diagram books,
and they  definitely never had any combines built for
commuter service.  
...Paul

--- Andre Kristopans <AndreTheBusMan99 at msn.com>
wrote:

> Paul -
> 
> Johnson's "Century of Chicago Streetcars" book has
> a shot with an RI train (with 400 or 401) in the
> background. First car is an arch-roof combo. Only
> half the car is visible, so you can't tell for
> sure, but the windows look just like an Al Capone
> car's windows. Now it MIGHT be an ex-mainline
> Harriman... but is sure looks similar to a commuter
> coach!
> 
> Andre
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Paul Hunnell 
>   To: Andre Kristopans ; ritslist at simpson.edu 
>   Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 10:27 AM
>   Subject: Re: [RITSlist] Commuter car question. 
> 
> 
>   The RI got 9 cars from the CNW in 1961.  
>   The RI never had combine versions of commuter
> coaches
>   (either their own or CNW); they used ex-mainline
>   service combines or baggage cars.  
>   They CNW's were identifiable in that the roof
> ends
>   were squared off instead of turtle-back like the
>   RI's.  I remember riding in them, and they were
>   different as they had baggage racks.  
>   The RI #'s were 2615-2623, exCNW 5061, 5083,
> 5090,
>   5095, 5096, 5100, 5102, 5104 and 5109.  
>   7 were sold to the NdeM (via Edwards
> International),
>   along with some original RI cars, in 1965 and
>   according to "official" NdeM records I have, were
>   numbered into the NdeM 4014(12?)-4036 range. 
>   However, I shot pictures of a couple of
> ex-original
>   RI commuter cars in Mexico *not* in this number
>   range, and also shot other cars in this # range
> that
>   were definitely NOT ex-RI, e.g., ex-PRR P70's. 
> So
>   the NdeM records are incorrect (not unlikely in
>   Mexico), or some later got renumbered for some
>   unknown reason.  Hope this helps.  
>   ...Paul Hunnell 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- Andre Kristopans <AndreTheBusMan99 at msn.com>
>   wrote:
>   > 
>   > Hello!
>   > 
>   > I am currently working on a database of
> commuter
>   > cars built since the advent of steel cars in
> the
>   > early 1900's. I am looking for some info on the
>   > RI's fleet. Namely, I know about the 25-2600
> "Al
>   > Capone" coaches, but I have seen photos of
> similar
>   > arch-roof combines. Can anybody tell me how
> many
>   > there were, builder, number series, etc?
>   > 
>   > Also, the RI got some second-hand (at least
> nine)
>   > ex CNW arch-roof commuter coaches, formerly CNW
>   > 5000-5100's. Anybody have info on how many
> total,
>   > number series, former CNW numbers??, even when
>   > acquired (circa 1960?)??
>   > 
>   > Thanks
>   > 
>   > Andre Kristopans
>   > 
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