[RITSlist] [Iowa-Interstate] Re: Rock Island E-Units
Richard Wilkinson
rewilkin at longlines.com
Tue Jun 5 14:55:47 CDT 2007
The term "deep pockets" applies here for sure.
Anyone who is serious about these units must understand that the repairs
just for cosmetic restoration are going to reach at least five figures.
Operating restoration puts that over six, maybe into seven figure land.
Tom Klimczak evaluation is right on the mark. For the latter to occur
both would need complete rebuilds hopefully giving them at least a 567 D
configuration if not hybrid using 645 parts ala BN. Not to mention new
brakes, electrics, etc. Don't let anyone tell you it can be done on the
cheap!
For those at RITS who want to take them to Savannah, be cautious.
Remember, the facility is only leased, it might not be wise to put in
such massive displays. To move them later could be a killer.
And speaking of moving equipment, a friend spent more on moving his unit
about 500 miles that it cost. And that didn't include the money spent
on getting it ready for interchange.
Rich Wilkinson
tom klimczak wrote:
> Something has to be seriously wrong with them in order for the
> purchase price to be this cheap. Yep, despite the size of most of our
> wallets, these two are cheap as far as locomotives go. Check the
> rusty, "EL"-painted, ex-C&NW F-7 on the same page for a price
> reference. Why might these extremely historic and irreplaceable girls
> be offered at these bargain-basement prices? The lack of engine room
> photos may belie their true condition...
>
> #630 does not operate at all, and has been a cab car throughout its
> tenure at Baldwin City. She was a tired engine before the Midland
> folks picker her up. She wasn't really given the mechanical TLC she
> needed when she first was restored, and she didn't receive near enough
> TLC once she got to her first tourist RR gig. Neither of the 567's
> work, and they're the problematic 567A blocks. Tough to fix this.
> Also, IIRC, the rear draft gear was severely damaged while she was in
> transit and required shop time in Silvis to reattach the assembly.
> This girl needs a complete mechanical and cosmetic makeover.
>
> #652 is also in tired mechanical condition, though the relatively new
> looking exterior hides a few grim problems. Mechanically, she needed a
> main generator changeout on one of her prime movers since she got to
> Baldwin, though an overhaul is now a requirement on both blocks. The
> only time I saw her operating, she ran on one engine (#1 I think)
> only. More vexingly, the carbody was not put back together according
> to EMD's original specs. The batten strips on the sides were welded
> into place, rather than being reattached with screws. The welds appear
> to be cracked and rusting in the pictures. Also, there may be a water
> leak in the nose, perhaps at the fireman's window. This leak seems to
> have frost heaved the nose a bit, as there is a large crack oozing
> rust down the fieman's side. This nose damage was visible when I first
> saw her in 1996.
>
> However, if Doyle McCormack's success is any indication, nothing is
> impossible!!
>
> Tom Klimczak
> Lemont, IL
>
>
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> From: iaisus <iaisus at yahoo.com>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2007 1:27:03 PM
> Subject: [Iowa-Interstate] Re: Rock Island E-Units
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> --- In Iowa-Interstate@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:Iowa-Interstate%40yahoogroups.com>, "Kevin" <metzke at ...> wrote:
>
> > > So what about the condition of them. They can be fixed.
> > Look at the condition of the ALCO PA's when they came back from
> > Mexico!
>
> Sure they COULD be, but at what cost? First you've gotta buy 'em (I
> couldn't even afford the cheaper one), then pay whatever it costs in
> repairs. I'm just saying that it's going to take someone with lots
> of bucks to do it. I doubt they'd make great freight engines, so
> they'd basically be showpieces and special power for whoever did
> get 'em.
>
> There's no way IAIS would ever even think about it; it'd have to be
> RDC all the way, which is why I mentioned Mr. Posner's name. They'd
> be IAIS engines in the same way that the steamers are IAIS engines;
> kind of but not really.
>
> Changing subjects:
>
> The westbound went through around 830 this morning with 4 units and
> 30 cars. Kind of a neat mix this time; a couple CLAXs, a few cement
> hoppers and some neat tanks, and a few airslides.
>
> The turn was a half hour behind them with the usual, and the
> eastbound came out as soon as the turn got in, going through Wilton
> around 1230pm with 3 geeps and 30 cars again.
>
> The local crew is on their way out too with 703, stopped at Downey
> waiting for the track foreman to clear.
>
> Some additional photos are at the bottom of yesterday's album if
> anyone's interested:
>
> http://www.iaisrail fans.org/ gallery/June4200 7
> <http://www.iaisrailfans.org/gallery/June42007>
>
> Andy Brown
>
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