[RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock Island tailsigns

Tue Jan 29 16:14:16 CST 2008

Good work, Par.  Thanks for the information.  I'm
working on an article for The Rocket,  "Along The
Golden State Route" and will credit you with that
informatiom.  Thanks again
Dick Hutchins  
--- Carrie and Patrick Lenahan
<lenahan517 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The Apache was always a steam-powered heavyweight
> train.  Not sure which
> year, but sometime between 1937 and 1945, Nos. 11
> and 12 were renamed from
> "The Apache" to the "Southwest Express" and
> truncated to Chicago-Dalhart
> service, with a Chicago-Rock Island parlor car; a
> Chicago-Dalhart 12-1
> sleeper, a Chicago-Herington diner; and a
> Chicago-Dalhart coach, offering
> box lunches between Pratt and Dalhart.   This is
> what I can tell from
> comparison of my Dec. '37 timetable, which lists
> "The Apache" and my May
> 1945 Official Guide reprint, which lists the
> "Southwest Express" and the
> "Californian" (no "Imperial" yet).
> 
> PL
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Hutchins
> [mailto:rdhutchins at sbcglobal.net] 
> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:22 AM
> To: Carrie and Patrick Lenahan; ritslist at simpson.edu
> Cc: R. D. Hutchins
> Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> 
> Yes, you are correct.  Now, I seem to recall that
> the A - L was light weight
> but painted gray.  Was the Apache diesel - light
> weight or was it steam
> powered as was the Californian?
> Dick
> --- Carrie and Patrick Lenahan
> <lenahan517 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> > You may be referring to the short-lived "Arizona
> Limited"?  "The 
> > Apache" was indeed a Chi-LA train, whereas the A-L
> was an attempt by 
> > the RI and SP to draw tourists to sunny Arizona
> right after the war, 
> > as I recall - it was seasonal, and only made it a
> couple of seasons.
> > Stout's book tells the
> > story on this one.
> >  
> > PL
> > 
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu
> > [mailto:ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu] On
> Behalf Of Bart & Jane
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:23 PM
> > To: 'David Engle'; 'Kathie and Denis Long'; 'DAVID
> SCHMIDT'; 
> > Kjb80401 at aol.com; ritslist at simpson.edu; 
> > rockislandrockets at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The Apache ran from Chicago to Globe Arizona.
> Globe was the home to 
> > many “dude” ranches and resorts. Tourists came to
> Arizona and stayed 
> > at one of these places in Globe and then were
> given a ride in an open 
> > top touring car over fish creek hill and then into
> Phoenix. The 
> > canyons off the hill still have the wrecks of many
> an old jalopy. Only 
> > the first class cars went to globe. The mail and
> express cars were 
> > switched off at Bowie and went on to Phoenix. The
> train actually 
> > terminated in Phoenix.
> > This train was replaced
> > by a McKeen car which met the Imperial at Bowie
> and passengers 
> > transferred.
> > The McKeen car ran until 1953 and was named the
> Gila Tomahawk. The 
> > next passenger train over the line was in 2006
> consisting of the Jane 
> > Marie and the Vista Canyon pulled by an Arizona
> Eastern Locomotive.  I 
> > have photos
..
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bart
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >   _____
> > 
> > From: ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu
> > [mailto:ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu] On
> Behalf Of David Engle
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 4:17 PM
> > To: Kathie and Denis Long; 'DAVID SCHMIDT';
> Kjb80401 at aol.com; 
> > ritslist at simpson.edu;
> rockislandrockets at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > NO It Is SANTA FE. 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: Kathie and Denis
> > <mailto:TwoGriffs at stx.rr.com> Long
> > 
> > To: 'DAVID  <mailto:dschmdt at verizon.net> SCHMIDT'
> ; Kjb80401 at aol.com ; 
> > ritslist at simpson.edu ;
> rockislandrockets at yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 12:23 PM
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Aborted?
> > 
> > Denis
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   _____
> > 
> > 
> > From: ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu
> > [mailto:ritslist-bounces at thunder.simpson.edu] On
> Behalf Of DAVID 
> > SCHMIDT
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 10:22 AM
> > To: Kjb80401 at aol.com; ritslist at simpson.edu; 
> > rockislandrockets at yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Scanning thru the list I saw a train name I have
> never heard 
> > associated with the RI before. Anyone know
> anything about "the 
> > Apache"?
> > 
> > David
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: Kjb80401 at aol.com
> > 
> > To: ritslist at simpson.edu ;
> > rockislandrockets at yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:05 AM
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] [Rock Island Rockets] Rock
> Island tailsigns
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > In a message dated 1/25/2008 11:22:42 PM Mountain
> Standard Time, 
> > behni at comcast.net writes:
> > 
> > Does anyone have detail information on the
> stainless steel tailsigns 
> > used by the RI for trains such as the Twin Star?
> I¹m interested in 
> > dimensions, close-up photos, construction details,
> etc. Pretty much 
> > any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Brian,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Tomar has pictures to look at.
> > 
> 
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